Convenient Suspect: A Wrongful Conviction In The Murder In Lehigh Valley?

Lehigh County Deputies escort accused murderer Patricia Rorrer, as she arrives for the beginning of her trial at the Lehigh County Courthouse in Allentown, on Friday, Feb. 6, 1998. [Harry Fisher/Allentown Morning Call/TNS via Getty Images]

It was love at first sight when Joann O’Connor met Andy Katrinak in the spring of 1992. She was a 23-year-old beauty just coming out of a bad marriage, and he a handsome and successful business owner 14 years her senior.

Within two years, the couple had moved in together, married, and become the proud parents of a new baby boy they named Alex. People envied the Katrinak’s rock-solid marriage and picture-perfect life; with the house, the kid, and the two cars in the drive, they seemed to be living the American dream.

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But when Joann and Alex suddenly vanished from their Catasauqua, Pennsylvania, home on December 15, 1994, suspicion immediately turned towards Andy. As the husband and father, he seemed the logical suspect, and the police worked hard to build a case against him.

A copy of an undated handout photo of Joann Marie Katrinak and 15-week-old Alex Martin Katrinak, both of Catasauqua, Pa. who were found dead in Dec. of 1994. [AP Photo/HO]

A copy of an undated handout photo of Joann Marie Katrinak and 15-week-old Alex Martin Katrinak, both of Catasauqua, Pa. who were found dead in Dec. of 1994. [AP Photo/HO]

Four months later, however, when the brutally murdered bodies of Joann and Alex were discovered lying in a lonely patch of woods, the police would focus their suspicion on an entirely different suspect; 31-year-old Patricia Rorrer (top, main photo) —  Andy Katrinak’s ex-girlfriend.

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Although Rorrer would deny any involvement in the crime, the evidence against her seemed almost overwhelming. She had no alibi for the time of the murders, had argued with Joann only days before she disappeared, and allegedly owned the same make and model of gun as that used in the crime. But it wasn’t until the police linked Rorrer to the crime through a DNA match between her and a hair recovered from Joann’s car that they finally had enough to arrest her.

Charged with two counts of capital murder and two counts of kidnapping, Patricia Rorrer was quickly tried, convicted, and sentenced to life in prison without parole. But did the police arrest the right person?

Lehigh County Deputies escort accused murderer Patricia Rorrer, as she arrives for the beginning of her trial at the Lehigh County Courthouse in Allentown, on Friday, Feb. 6, 1998. [Harry Fisher/Allentown Morning Call/TNS via Getty Images]

Lehigh County Deputies escort accused murderer Patricia Rorrer, as she arrives for the beginning of her trial at the Lehigh County Courthouse in Allentown, on Friday, Feb. 6, 1998. [Harry Fisher/Allentown Morning Call/TNS via Getty Images]

A five-year investigation of the case has uncovered compelling new evidence that they did not. Everything from compromised crime scenes and contaminated evidence, to suspects who were never cleared, witness statements that were withheld from the defense, and crucial evidence that was simply dismissed and ignored has cast doubt on Rorrer’s guilt and led to a number of unanswered questions.

  • Why did the police focus on a young mother from another state, who had never met either victim and had not had a romantic relationship with Andy Katrinak in more than five years?
  • Why was the jury never told that Patricia Rorrer was under surveillance in North Carolina at the time of the crime?
  • Why did the police center all their attention on a hair found 15 miles from the crime scene, but ignore physical evidence left directly on the bodies?
  • Why did they refuse to investigate a hair found in the victim’s right hand? A hair that does not belong to Patricia Rorrer.
  • Why did they fail to test a piece of flesh adhering to a torn fingernail fragment recovered from Joann’s chest? A nail that does not belong to Patricia Rorrer.
  • Why did they refuse to conduct DNA testing on a cigarette butt found with the bodies?
  • Why was no root noted on the hairs found in Joann’s car until after the police received samples of Patricia Rorrer’s hair?
  • Why does the FBI’s own report state that the hairs found in Joann’s car “have no roots attached”?
  • How could Patricia Rorrer have been convicted using DNA from a hair root that doesn’t exist?

After more than 20 years, questions are finally being raised about the many problems that plague this case, and the compelling evidence that points to the wrongful conviction of Patricia Rorrer.

If you think you know the whole story of the Katrinak murders, I can tell you right now; you don’t.

Keith Morrison [Investigation Discovery]

Keith Morrison [Investigation Discovery]

Watch the entire investigation on “Murder In Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Investigates” streaming now on ID GO.

Tammy Mal is a true-crime writer who’s written for True Detective Magazine and Absolute Crime Publishing. She’s the author of four books: Little Girl Lost, Disposable Income, Tortured Minds, and Murder in Susquehanna County. Her newest book, Convenient Suspect, is scheduled for release in the fall of 2017 and recounts the murders of Joann and Alex Katrinak and the potential wrongful conviction of Patricia Rorrer.

Main photo: Lehigh County Deputies escort accused murderer Patricia Rorrer, as she arrives for the beginning of her trial at the Lehigh County Courthouse in Allentown, on Friday, Feb. 6, 1998. [Harry Fisher/Allentown Morning Call/TNS via Getty Images]

  • Martha Bartha

    Oh Dear!

  • Taneka Turner Day

    It’s sooo sad but this sort of injustice happens more often than we know.

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  • Dee Mccrory-Bosold

    That’s a shame I don’t think she did it

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      • GC4JC

        you’re a GOOBER!!

      • Rebecca

        Based on nothing but sexism. The unstable jealous ex-gf trope is literally what got her convicted. And that is scary.

  • Dee Mccrory-Bosold

    I think the husband had something to do with it

    • M. Brown

      I do too! He set the ex girlfriend up by putting the hairs in the car. That simple.

      • Leigh

        Where did he get her hair?

        • MsFjordstone

          Could be a hairbrush left at his place years before. Or maybe he was going down there and seeing her on the sly. Didn’t even have to be an affair; if he knew he wanted to kill his wife, he may have been clever enough to set up Rorrer to take the fall in advance, by buddying up to her again in order to obtain some bits of evidence. I’ve never seen *any* accounting of Andrew Katrinak’s movements in the weeks/months leading up to the murders, or after. Or any investigation of his phone calls.

          • Ei Mihalko

            I believe he did it.

          • Denice

            I think so too.

          • InVinoVeritas

            Geez. If he’d been to see Rorrer, she’d have screamed bloody murder with that fact.

          • GC4JC

            My, what judgements against a woman you don’t even KNOW!!!

          • Donna Sammon

            realy! husband did it!

          • Stephanie Ronan Crews

            No, I don’t think OJ or Casey Anthony are innocent, but I do find a disturbing number of inadequacies and misleading information provided by the DA in this case. Do you personally know the involved parties?

          • Brenda Donaldson

            I was thinking the exact same thing… Or are you the one that did it… you have to be close to the family

          • Rebecca

            Patricia was convicted on faulty evidence, not OJ nor Casey. And besides she was young and naiive and easy to frame. I wouldn’t know what to say either if I were wrongly convicted…

          • Brenda Donaldson

            I agree…… twisted narrow minded….

          • Stephanie Ronan Crews

            “Knee jerk responses” don’t take five years to generate. They’re an immediate response, hence the term “knee jerk,” which implies reflexivity. When someone hits the nerve just distal to your knee, the knee jerks. That’s where the term comes from. It’s involuntary and sudden, not five years later or eight days later.

          • Rachel Kay Miller

            Are u an idiot? She never lied about her alibi..it was NEVER checked out until 4 months later and so i suppose the authoe of a convienient suspect is lieing n so is the cop who came foward? Hair trigger temper means u react on insitinct..drivibg 500 miles n after 8 days of someone hanging up on u? That.makes ZERO sence..goodbye

          • FurMummy

            If he didn’t want the phone calls he would gave put an end to them real quick-as in 3 years sgo when they first began! WHY was HE continuing to talk to Rorrer after he was married. She had a child as well. God only knows what either woman saw in him.
            Defense Attorneys (& almost all prosecutors took their turns as public defenders at one time or another) defend the innocent or try to get a lesser sentence. They don’t twist ir turn snything around. Sometimes there’s no way a person is innocent. Their job is to get a lesser charge/ sentence if the prosecution was overzealous.

          • Michael McIntyre

            Sorry, this dog won’t hunt. The idea that he would attempt to frame someone living 500 miles away is ludicrous. How would he know that she did not have an alibi? Anyone living far from the crime scene would easily have some way to show that they could not have been at the scene. How would he obtain her hair without her knowing it? (Rorrer denied seeing Andy for months prior to the murders) An old hairbrush. Really! With the same coloring and length of hair that Rorrer had in the picture taken two weeks before the murders. Not likely. And, by the way, Andy’s phone calls, as well as his whole life, were thoroughly investigated.

          • SiulaGrande

            You’re a thug with a J.D.

          • Stephanie Ronan Crews

            Do you know this McIntyre guy? What dog does he have in this fight? Seems like he’s taking this personally so I’m curious.

          • FurMummy

            He may be an abuser himself? Who knows?

          • GC4JC

            because he is the one that told her mother to call him back and to NOT have her call him back!!! Who does that? He knew his wife wasn’t going to walk in on the phone call!!

          • Stephanie Ronan Crews

            Michael, I’m curious….what personal role did you play in this case?

          • Terry Hawkins

            I don’t think he framed her i think the local law enforcement did. To cover there mistakes.

          • Rebecca

            I believe he did frame her. Opportunistic predator. It was easy because her Trauma symptoms already made her mentally unstable. She had rage episodes like most DV and sexual assault survivors, and this was used against her.

            How many more mentally ill people have to get wrongfully convicted before its recognized that they suffer from extreme systemic prejudice against them and need more legal protection?

          • Stephanie Ronan Crews

            I believe you’re probably right and that Katrinak broke up with Patricia when she got too old for his predatory tastes. He cut her loose and moved onto another young, vulnerable girl. So goes the cycle. Correct me if I’m wrong, but this guy has a classic pattern.

          • Rebecca

            Michael: You seem to be relying on sexist tropes to determine Patricia guilty, just like this pitiful case did.

            Clearly you have no understanding of reality here. You have no idea what a Narcopath is capable of. A Narcopath will spend years plotting against a woman because she left him. Approx 96% of Narcissists and Psychopaths are men. They are the ones who murder their wives and gfs when they cheat or try to leave.

            I work as a special witness and have seen countless Narcopathic men use the highest manipulation tactics to make their battered victims (who are usually MUCH YOUNGER THAN THEY) look like the abusers.

            Patricia is no Narcissist. That husband is. Get a therapist in to interview that husband and I guarantee they will determine him the likely culprit.

          • Rebecca

            You clearly were terrible at your job. Good riddance you corrupt, disgusting, abuse apologist. You purposefully protected that predatory husband. How did you miss the fact that Andy dated Patricia when she was a MINOR and he was pushing 30? And then marries another woman 10+ years younger than him?
            Or the fact that Andy went after two vulnerable women who were victims of DV?

            None of that raised any red flags for you guys, huh? Didn’t want any psychologists to evaluate that Ted Bundy husband either, since you KNEW it was him.

            Whatever helps you to sleep at night I guess, huh?

          • Stephanie Ronan Crews

            Whatever keeps their closure rate high at the end of the fiscal year will keep their budget from being cut and their reputations from being damaged. Convictions at all costs…even at the expense of justice. Sadly, far from the first time I’ve seen it. Budget cuts mean paycheck cuts and lose cases mean budget cuts. Justice can be bought in every state. Pathetic.

          • Susan Milner

            First of all, men commit over 85% of all homicides most importantly, in this case, their wives and new baby. Considering probability, it plays in HER favor. The likelihood of a female killing someone’s else’s baby is um well pretty much .000000000001%

          • sukaye

            Andy got it from the blanket! See, you didn’t pay attention to all of the evidence because the police did not want to believe that the husband did it. He was so friendly to them and so cooperative. He is a psychopath and psychopaths are deceptively friendly and great actors when they need to be. One of the many things besides chances that work against him is his constant smile while talking about the case involving HIS DEAD WIFE AND BABY!

          • Geneva

            Also she had a small child and had lost a child so I can’t see her leaving or hurting the baby. This was a joke for an investigation. This guy doesn’t seem worth the effort for her to want to kill someone over. I feel the husband was involved as well because what the showed on the show surely was not enough for a conviction and surprised it did so. Plus McIntyre what s joke can’t believe he is in the position that he holds.

          • Stephanie Ronan Crews

            I wondered about that, too. If she lost a child, especially one as close in age as the one she’s convicted of killing, I can’t see the logic in her killing the baby in this case. More likely, she would have abandoned him in a place he would’ve been found and cared for. Whomever committed these murders didn’t give two hoots about that child and possibly resented the infant. I’m not ready to point the finger at Andy Katrinak, but I can understand why people would.

          • Rachel Kay Miller

            EXACTLY N WHAT HAPPENED TO PROFILING?? LIKE ON CRIMINAL.MINDS..IT WOULD MAKE NO SENCE FOR A WOMAN WHO LOST A CHILD TO KILL A CHILD SMH IM EMBARESSED AT OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM AND THE JURORS WHO FOUND HER GUILTY..SHAME ON THEM

        • Anne Stauffer

          Left on his clothing somehow… Or, another possibility is the cops planted evidence. Would not surprise me.

    • Shida

      I do not think he did it. Why would he? She had clear motive with her weird self.

      • Rodney harris

        What’s the motive? A heated argument on the phone? Which you think lead a woman to drive from Nc to murder somebody she never met? Come on!! she hasn’t been in a relationship with him in 5 years.

        • Shida

          A woman scorned. Wouldn’t be the first time….ever heard of that Novak chick?

          • Ann Ziggy

            Seriously? If we use common sense, we’ll get to the answer for sure.

          • Rebecca

            Except that’s extremely rare. Look at the gov statistics for yourself: women rarely murder over jealousy.

            It’s men who do. Most of whom are Narcissists. Like Elliot Rodgers. The APA reports that approx 96% of Narcissists are MEN.

          • Stephanie Ronan Crews

            Exactly right. And psychopathic traits don’t just pop up once and then go away forever. They’re constantly there, consistently present, and they don’t go away.There would be a pattern of behavior exhibited both before and after this incident.

          • Rebecca

            Exactly Stephanie. I can guarantee that the majority of professionals who work with offenders would be looking at this husband OR the man the deceased victim was supposedly having an affair with.

            There is also an enormous difference between psychopathy and mental illness and the public is generally under educated about this. Behaviors like lying, obsessive harassing and even rage are common for Trauma survivors.

            These behaviors present completely differently in psychopaths. The majority of women who survive DV and sexual violence present with these behaviors but score very low on psychopathic measures.

          • Stephanie Ronan Crews

            I agree wholeheartedly. I also find it highly improbably that Rorrer would leave that baby to die in the elements of a Pennsylvania winter. Very unlikely for any woman, much less one who lost a male child of a similar age. Again, I believe that what I’m seeing is a convicted based on a need for conviction rather than a need for justice. No conviction means no budget increase and therefore no raises to public employees. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I see nothing in Rorrer’s psych background that would indicate a potential murderer. It’s more likely that she would have committed the crime as an act of rage immediately following the break-up with Katrinak, not several years later. The more I dig into this, the more it stinks like corruption.

        • GC4JC

          right on….and no guy is worth that no matter what all their EGO’s think!!! Guy’s get over yourselves!!! Nobody wants any of you that badly!!

      • CityGirl31

        If it’s true that he was arguing w/ Joann like that one guy said, over the paternity of the baby.

    • Ann Ziggy

      Me too!! Doesn’t the truth mean something? I’m so disappointed in Michael McIntyre. I thought he had integrity. Andy had motive, opportunity, strength, time, and certainly an ax to grind. He blamed Patricia and using hairs on an old hairbrush, conveniently planted them in Joanne’s car when he was playing detective. Have you ever driven 500 miles? Once you arrive at your destination, do you really have the energy to commit a crime? Kidnap a woman and her baby and then take the body to a remote location to end her life? Shame on Joanne’s family for not demanding the truth and trusting someone who doesn’t deserve to be trusted. Also, I think it’s time they do a DNA test on the baby’s remains. If DNA doesn’t match the father, then it would implicate HIM beyond a reasonable doubt.

      • InVinoVeritas

        What was Andy’s motive?
        I would NOT be surprised to learn that Rorrer had driven all that distance numerous or several times to spy on them.
        NOBODY raised the issue of the baby’s DNA and it wouldn’t matter if it was raised because, in those days, you couldn’t get reliable DNA results on infants younger than 6 months of age.

      • M2m

        Exactly! She couldn’t do it all on her own even if she is the murder considering the logistics. The murder is someone who lives by her, knows the area n psychically strong.

        • Ann Ziggy

          I agree completely. I used to drive from outside of DC back to the Lehigh Valley to visit family and after a 3 hour drive, I was pretty tired … couldn’t do much of anything but rest.

        • tentantoes

          A gun is the great strength equalizer

      • Michael McIntyre

        Anne, Thank goodness you were not on the jury. Great idea on the DNA test. Oh, wait. Already done. The baby was Andy’s.

        • Ann Ziggy

          Why wasn’t the DNA result disclosed. Why wasn’t any more information relative to Andy’s personal “detective work” brought to light … no reprimand?? Also, you still need to keep your ego in check. The interview with Keith Morrison was disgraceful and not a great representation of many in the LV. I worked for your mother many years ago. She was so proud of you. I wonder what she would have thought about the way you responded in that interview for all to see.

          • Stephanie Ronan Crews

            Seriously? Are we really expected to believe that this is the same Michael McIntyre that tried the case for the Commonwealth? If it is, then the fact that he would even make ANY comments on an online forum makes him highly suspicious. I’d be interested to know if, in fact, this is the same Michael McIntyre. Most real professionals who are comfortable with their convictions wouldn’t comment publicly on a case unless they’re “testing the waters.” So if this Michael McIntyre is the same as that Michael McIntyre, his very presence here in this forum is highly suspect.

          • Dawn Alhwayan

            I agree!!! He’s a total Dbag!

        • Ann Ziggy

          By the way … no “e” in Ann.

        • Stephanie Ronan Crews

          Nevermind. I just answered my own question. If you’re the Michael McIntyre that tried the case, I can’t expect a straight answer.

          • FurMummy

            He was very unprofessional in the interview. Wouldn’t believe a word he said.

          • Janet Driskill Yarbrough

            This prosecutor is a narcissistic “nut” as he described a viable witness in this case. Never seen anyone act so unprofessionally in my life, and I have watched a LOT.

        • sukaye

          Probability should definitely have been considered. Men commit 90% of ALL homicides–moreso wives and new babies! The likelihood of a woman killing another woman’s child? less than .0000000001% You yourself should be ashamed of yourself.

          • Rebecca

            This is exactly what I have been arguing!
            When a woman and her child is killed, 99% of the time, it is the male partner.

      • Shay

        Thats what i was thinking. The babies dna…

      • Moochie JR Habeebah Newman

        I agree he planted evidence then laughed on TV 📺 about it I was also very disappointed with the prosecutor especially when he said “who cares about the hair in the hand and so what they didn’t analyze the HAIR ROOT”. He should’ve been FIRED!!!!

      • FurMummy

        McIntyre a man of integrity? He doesn’t know how to spell it, let alone have it unfortunately.

  • Jean Jordan

    I live in the Lehigh Valley. To say evidence was tampered with. Detectives said things they didn’t sums up. Let’s get criminal out of jail the 2 victims so what. Come to the valley. The men in blue did not have an agenda to frame an innocent woman the convicted a guilty one

    • Vickie Campbell

      The prosecutor is so hung up on himself that he admitted he won’t be made a fool of. This is so obvious. It was proven Patricia Rorrer did not call PA as the husband said. The evidence was not tested, oh except for the hair that had no root. They had to have somebody so Patricia was picked. Both woman and baby are victims.

      • leen

        That prosecutor was one of the most unprofessional narcissistic people I have seen in a very long time..It is simply frightening that people like him are running the show… God Help Us

        • SiulaGrande

          He’s actually posting here! What a narcissist! I hope the courts take him down a peg.

      • Cauchy7

        But they did show that she made a call to Catty on Dec. 7th. I also find in interesting that she made a call to Slatington on the same day — which is very likely the number of the stable where she kept the horses (I live in the Lehigh Valley and only a few miles from where this field is located).

        • M2m

          Even if she was nearby, how could she knew the perfect timing to lure the victims out. It’s too bizarre. I know emotions were high there that ppl were eager to find the justification for the victims but justice can’t be rushed.
          In my opinion… I firmly believe the husband did it.

      • SiulaGrande

        He’s so full of himself he’s actually posting here.

        • Stephanie Ronan Crews

          That’s precisely my concern.

    • Arnie Mall

      ???????

    • leen

      Yea none of that stuffs ever happened… PLEASE

  • Joyce Franks

    I think they have the right person, they mentioned in an earlier statement that she continued to harass the family and felt she deserved this man.

    • kellyanne61 .

      I agree with you. Read my response above.

      • Robert Belcher

        I agree as well. Nut still bothering an old boyfriend and jealous of his new wife and baby while she sat home alone with God knows whose daughter. Crazy people do some sick things sometimes and it’s hard to comprehend. Plenty of valid evidence to put her away. TV shows, defense attorneys, anti-law enforcement types and the naive believe in these types of conspiracy theories.

        • CityGirl31

          The ID special didn’t mention any type of harassment.

        • Rebecca

          Plenty of people keep in touch with their exes. Many remain friends.
          Apparently, this makes you more capable of murder.

    • Rebecca

      Just because someone is mentally ill does not make them more likely to commit murder. This is ableism.

      And just because she may have been jealous, does not mean anything.
      No psych evaluation determined her a Narcissist, who are the ones most likely to kill over hurt egos.

      That husband did this. And his creepy sadistic smirking during interviews and in photos makes it very obvious that he is a calculating Narcopath

  • MsFjordstone

    Tammy, please, please, PLEASE tell us when the new book (“Convenient Suspect”) will be available!!

    • kellyanne61 .

      Fall of 2017.

      • MsFjordstone

        Thanks much, Kellyanne. Can’t wait!

      • FurMummy

        Hopefully once the book is released more people will become familiar and write to the appropriate people demanding a new trial with ALL of the very lame evidence or she’ll be exonerated!

    • Michael McIntyre

      What a great title! Convenient! How can someone living 500 miles from the crime scene be a “convenient” suspect? If she were not guilty, it would have been impossible to show she was not in her hometown at the time of the crime.

      • SiulaGrande

        You’re so disgustingly biased and smug. Stay in retirement.

      • Ann Ziggy

        “Convenient” for you …

      • Stephanie Ronan Crews

        Dude, if you’re the McIntyre who tried this case, I find it highly unprofessional and even more highly suspicious that you would come to an online forum and defend your case. You’re either not “the” Michael McIntyre, or you’re protesting entirely too much for me to think you’re comfortable with your verdict. It smells to me like you want to see what the public consensus is so you can determine whether or not you’re under a microscope. Nervous?

      • Rebecca

        I’m more concerned with why on earth you, an obvious misogynist, are allowed to allowed to be involved with this case.

        You seem to have a hard-on for framing unstable women.

        Here’s a thought: that husband married a woman 14 YEARS YOUNGER.
        That is an abusive predator. Stop defending him. You’re not helping anyone but the millions of abusive predatory men like him that evade the criminal justice system.

  • Ei Mihalko

    They need to look at her husband.

  • Denice

    I recorded it on my DVR and I’m watching it right now. From what I see I think the husband was involved too. The problem is the hair.Could the husband have perhaps accidentally/on purpose run into his ex-girlfriend and somehow retrieved some of her hair from a brush or something? Interesting.

    • CityGirl31

      Just hair but no fingerprints or blood…completely bizarre.

  • kellyanne61 .

    This happened in 1994 when forensics and DNA was in it’s infancy. I highly doubt that the husband would know anything about how to “set-up” his ex-girlfriend based on how we all thought about forensics back then. Which wasn’t much. We didn’t have Forensic Files and Cold Case files to watch until late 1999 and 2000. Not plausible to me. We mainly relied on finger prints, motive, murder weapon and confessions. If I had been found guilty, I would have screamed and cried in the court room! She was stoic. Husband co-operated and had nothing to hide through the whole process. I think Tammy Mal is just waiting for a big payout with the new book.

    • Anne Stauffer

      They didn’t have fingerprints or any evidence that was commonly found back then. Bottom line, justice is supposed to mean innocence until guilt is proven. They even said during the Dateline story that Rorrer “could not prove” she was in NC at the time of the disappearances of the victims. Even if she is guilty, which I do not believe, at the very least there was reasonable doubt.

      • Wendi Kratzer

        I live in Lehigh Valley and lived around the corner from the victims when this happened. The prosecutor’s office and many Catasauqua cops are corrupt. Things have gotten better in recent years. Innocent people do go to prison and this case was handled poorly. The author told Pat she would follow the evidence and if it pointed to her guilt, then that is what she would write. Maybe the hair was not planted but handled poorly. That’s happened too.

        • CityGirl31

          Wow.

        • Cauchy7

          We have too many small-town police depts. in the area and yes, I think there is a lot of corruption that goes on. And, everyone knows everyone in the Valley in some way so it’s hard to escape that kind of thing.

    • leen

      He just seemed to try MIGHTY hard from minute one, to put this on her, although I agree he probably didnt know about DNA. He did know they could look at it and say it was consistant with Pats hair… The only thing I cant get past is why they still absolutely refuse to test the hair found in Joanns hand…I mean wouldnt that help clear things up alot. just sayin

      • CeeJay Kauffman

        You would be surprised what someone could know when the need arises. I knew about DNA then, why wouldn’t he? Did he just fall off of a potato truck? I doubt he planted the hair because he would have to be holding onto it for a really, really long time or went 500 miles to get it.

    • Lovrofhistory

      A lot of lawyers tell the defendant to not show emotion bc people will read things into it.

  • Anne Stauffer

    Yes, I agree the hubs set up the ex. This story makes me so sad.

  • K Thomas

    The husband’s actions don’t make sense to me, & the more I hear the more convinced I am that he set Patricia up to take the fall because she was an easy target. They need to test the baby’s remains to identify paternity. It’s more plausible that this was the result of a man who became enraged after finding out he was not that child’s father. This is not justice, for anyone.

    • Kristen Godshall

      That’s EXACTLY what I was thinking! I couldn’t believe the way they treated the man that witnessed the couple arguing over paternity!

    • CityGirl31

      Oh wow. Good idea!

  • leen

    For the life of me, I can not understand,
    why they refuse to test the hair found in Joanns lifeless hand… Things that make ya go ummmmmmm

    • Cauchy7

      Well, who knows why they didn’t do it at the time, but it was stated they can’t test it now because the law states they can’t re-test evidence in a case that was already decided.

      • Stephanie Ronan Crews

        Yes, they can. They just don’t like to and they like even less to use state funds for testing that could potentially overturn a conviction. However, at this point, I’d have to consider a private investigator because the Commonwealth can’t be trusted.

  • Shida

    She did it.

    • Rebecca

      Oh hey Andy, nice puppet account there. Just wondering how many more women you killed and framed some other poor sod of?

  • Tara Sawyer

    I believe Patricia is innocent. Test the damn hair!!

    • Ann Ziggy

      I agree that she is innocent.

    • Stephanie Ronan Crews

      Whether she’s innocent or not, they Commonwealth should be willing to test the hair either to prove once and for all that public suspicions are unfounded, or to pursue the possibility that they were wrong. Those who consider themselves professionals wouldn’t hesitate. Those who are nervous or worried or KNOW they’re wrong might drag their feet. Test the damn hair.

  • Tara Sawyer

    The husband always has a smirk on his face, and, the fight between the couple in the parking lot about paternity

    • Lovrofhistory

      Yes he’s always grinning on TV like a Cheshire cat. How weird. Was their insur. On wife/child?

      • CityGirl31

        And the fact that the lie detector showed deception.

    • Jennifer Dodge

      I agree, the husband looks like he is smirking, almost smiling because of the publicity or something.

      • Rebecca

        Because Andy got away with framing Patricia. He can’t help but feel victorious.
        If you research the evidence, you will find it all points to dear hubby.

        • Stephanie Ronan Crews

          Rebecca, do we know how old the new wife was when they married?

          • tentantoes

            14 yrs his Jr. I’m thinking the met when she was 19.

    • CeeJay Kauffman

      I’ve only seen part 1 so I haven’t seen the evidence except for mention of the hair. I was unsettled by the expression on his face, like he was trying to contain a secret glee. I would have to see and hear more of him speaking. I also, however, made note of the difference in Patricia’s speech when speaking to a prospective alibi witness and her conversation with her ex. She sounded almost sheepish like when you are embarrassed over something you have done.

    • Patricia Pryor

      I agree, Being such a small community , I thing the local law enforcement are protecting the husbands crime in which of I was to guess was resulted due to her trying to leave him for catching him cheating . The paternity argument was probably her outlet hoping he would go away looks like abusive relationship. No pictures of the three of them together were ever shown , him , her , and baby .

    • alton

      He could have an old hair brush of patties and planted the hairs in the car to frame her

      • Moochie JR Habeebah Newman

        I agree he was smirking waaaay to much!!!! Most likely he planted EVIDENCE he got into the car but claims he doesn’t want to destroy evidence WHAT!!!! you’ve destroyed or planted EVIDENCE when you sat in the car!!!!!

      • Julie Renee’ Johnson

        Did they ever consider that theory of him planting the hair? That’s the very first thing I thought of!!

  • Tara Sawyer

    Somehow this woman needs to have a new trial at the very least.

  • David Shupe

    The Husband did it, He planted the hairs on the Headrest of the Driver’s Seat of the Victim’s Car, some of those Hairs, supposedly had Blood on them, so why didn’t the Car Seat have blood on it ? Did someone rub those hairs in the Victim’s Blood after they Murdered Her, then plant those Hairs on the Headrest, by then the Blood would have been dried !!!

    Also, the Single Hair found in the Victim’s Hand could have been planted easily by the Killer, if the Victim grabbed the Killer by the hair while fighting back, wouldn’t there be more than just one hair ???

    Alot of the Evidence did not make sense, it looks like a setup to Me !!!

    I saw no real Motive for Patricia to be the Killer ?

    Did they do a Paternity test on the Son to see if He was Andrew’s Kid ?

    That would have been a Motive !!!

  • Anne Stauffer

    Seems to me Lehigh is run by and controlled by the DA’s office. Clear as day.

    • pjsutton

      What do you mean by that? I live in Lehigh County and am curious what you mean!

  • Ashley Miller

    Okay the one guy said he seen the couple arguing about the baby not being the husbands. do a DNA test on the husband and baby and if it’s not his I tell you he is the Killer,

  • Valerie Moore

    I don’t know who did it but they’re getting away with 2 absolutely horrendous murders while this woman sits in prison losing her life one day at a time!!! She deserves a new trial, ppl don’t like to think the judicial system is broken and that they could or would manipulate evidence, statements and witnesses to support what they say happened whether it’s the truth or not. Absolutely unforgiveable, we need to find who did kill Joann and Alex now!!

  • Kathleen A. Eastwood

    I still don’t know, but it does look like there was a rush to judgment. The hubs was all too willing to tell investigators what he supposedly found, loose screws, phone line cut and then he decides to splice it together again before police have a look at it, shoddy investigation, i.e. the hair and nail fragment on the body that wasn’t the suspect’s dna etc. I think it does warrant a new trial at the very least. Justice was not served. I would be interested in finding out what the surveillance team in North Carolina found?.

    • CityGirl31

      Agree & how would Patty know when the perfect time to carry out this crime would be? She’d have to know when Joann would be alone w/ the baby & know for certain that no one would be coming over…too weird.

  • Susan Mohring

    I just watched this. What stood out to me is that the information given by the man who heard the argument between the couple over a baby’s paternity was not checked out. DNA from the baby and the husband could have been verified to eliminate or prove that allegation. The man said the couple arguing on the same day of the murder was the missing woman and her husband. He was dismissed as a “kook.”

    • pjsutton

      Agree. I live in the Lehigh Valley and both “Troutman” and “Traupman” are common last names here, and both are pronounced the same way. BUT, if someone goes in to a police department making a report, there is some sort of written account by the person who made the report (I would assume), which would presume that the man spelled his own name correctly.

    • Michael McIntyre

      See above. DNA tests proved Andy was the baby’s father. The witness was a kook. The defense took his video taped deposition. I wonder why we haven’t seen it.

      • Stephanie Ronan Crews

        I wonder why the hair wasn’t tested. Now that the case is under public scrutiny, it would stand to reason that the Commonwealth would actually want to prove the integrity of the case and the rightfullness of the conviction. Unless, of course, McIntyre is worried…..

      • Rebecca

        “The witness was a kook”

        You seem to really hate the mentally ill. Your prejudice isn’t tolerated anymore. Maybe back in the 90’s but saying something like this today gets you fired.
        As it should.

  • Sally Stevenson

    why didn’t they ever do a dna test on the infant to see if the older man that saw the victim and a man arguing over who the child’s true father was can prove anything?

  • Jennifer Dodge

    I am questioning the husband. In all the interviews he appears to be smirking, almost smiling. Also, how would Patricia know to cut only the phone cable to the phone the Wife used? How would she know what phone the wife used?

    • CityGirl31

      Good point & bringing a power tool to take out the screws in the door which no one heard, apparently. Weird thing to do in broad daylight if you’re trying to get away w/ murder.

    • pjsutton

      Doesn’t anyone else find it odd that she used a separate phone line? And when the husband said he reconnected it because he wanted to use the cordless phone – why not just switch the cordless phone to the other line? Unless maybe she had the line installed before they were married; my father got remarried and had his own line at my stepmom’s house for years – it was handy in the dial-up era.

    • Karen McBride

      I agree with that. He seems very nonchalant about his wife’s murder. Shouldn’t he seem more broken up? Also, just want to comment on the Crown Attorney, is it just me or does he seem like he is very unprofessional with some of his responses?

      • FurMummy

        Yes, DA was very unprofessional & was called out for it by Keith Morrison.

    • Sherri Hill

      It is doubtful that Patricia was able to abduct, beat and kill Joanne by herself….they should certainly test the hair and fingernail left behind at the crime scene for DNA….I believe there is someone else involved and that is all I will say.

  • Rodney harris

    It’s obvious that either the husband did it because he found out that baby might not be his or the victim had another guy on the side she was seeing who potentially could have been the father of that baby And the husband found out. Remember the guy Troutman reported that he over heard an argument between the victim and the husband arguing that the baby might not be his. And there was the store clerk who said she saw her and another man buying 100$ worth of groceries 5 days after she was reported missing.

  • Kristen Godshall

    After watching this and reading what I could find online it seems shocking to me that so much evidence could be ignored and someone can be convicted on such flimsy evidence… it really seems like in this case it’s ‘guilty until proven innocent’. Just to play the devils advocate though, it seems as though this story was told on the ID channel special from the point of view supporting her innocence. The jury must have seen and heard evidence we haven’t- it seems absurd to think any jury would find her guilty but they came back in what- 11 hours? I have to think there’s more to the story than the ID channel told us… I’m a total ID addict but I have to admit they are terrible at presenting both sides of a case un-objectively.

    • CityGirl31

      I really want to read transcripts of the trial but can’t find any online.

    • Michael McIntyre

      Jury was back much quicker than that. And ID’s editing showed me that they had an agenda in trying to raise doubt rather than get to the truth.

    • FurMummy

      The jury, nor defence, was not given A LOT OF INFO that could have helped them make a much more informed decision, one that would have gone the other way.

  • CityGirl31

    Wow. What a fascinating case. I just watched the Keith Morrison special. The fact that the lie detector showed deception, the hair in the car, I don’t know who to believe! I need more info. The special didn’t go into enough detail. Had Patty ever been violent or threaten anyone before? Why did Andy describe her as “looney?” What is Andy doing now? Did he remarry or have more children? The witness who saw the couple fighting over paternity, did he really completely change his story & say the man was dark haired w/ a beard? Needs a Netflix series like “Making a Murderer” to explain all!

  • CityGirl31

    One other observation: the detective that was interviewed, the one w/ the white hair, he seemed like a nice man but also seemed like, “Duuuuuhhhhh…”

  • June

    Just got done watching this, and let me tell you this is the exact reason I don’t trust the justice system! The husband definitely had something to do with it and the police were covering their a$$es for the B.S. investigation they did. I wouldn’t have convicted her if I was on the jury!

  • Julie Flood

    Just watched the show! I think evidence or DNA needs to be obtained from Andrew Katrynak and his murdered baby to prove he was indeed the father. There was a gentleman who said he witnessed man and woman arguing about baby not being his and thus witness thought it was Andrew Katrynak and his wife. That would be reason for a fit of murderous rage. I think hair in car was a set up. Did they check convicted person’s cars or even credit cards to see how in the heck she got 500 miles to another state without any receipt of it? How did she travel the 500 miles? I believe this lady is innocent!

    • De Saletnik

      I think the paternity was tested and it was Andy’s baby, but what if this car fight Troutman witnessed was before Andy knew the paternity? He could of killed her assuming the baby wasn’t his in a fit of rage over the idea if her cheating on him.

      • Rebecca

        Which is usually what narcissistic men like Andy do.
        Also Andy dated Patricia when she was a MINOR and he was pushing 30 years old.

        You do not ignore these huge red flags pointing towards the husband. He fits the profile of a Ted Bundy type of Narcopath so perfectly I’m wondering how many other women he’s murdered…

        • De Saletnik

          I agree Rebecca. Another thing is that there was a baby bottle found with the bodies…if she was forced there against her will knowing she was about to die, why bring the bottle?

          • Rebecca

            Excellent point.
            There’s no way she’d get in a vehicle willingly with her husband’s ex gf. Are we supposed to think she asked to go grab her baby’s bottle before being kidnapped?

            However, she would certainly get in with her husband willingly. Then he could easily have come back home, snipped the phone cord and called the cops playing the role of loving dutiful husband “oh no my wife was kidnapped by my 26 year old ex gf!”

            “Never mind I’m nearing 40 years old with a successful business and tons of money to pay off police.”

  • Durwin

    Hey people answer this. What’s a more powerful motive to kill? Patricia an ex of 5yrs in the past that lives over 500 mls away and she goes to kill the wife and baby over a stupid argument that was had on the phone about 7 days prior or a HUSBAND (ANDY) that was seen arguing with his wife, which she told him that the baby isn’t his? Why hasn’t there a DNA test been done on the baby or Joann been checked to see if she was pregnant at the time? Also, the hair found in the car was said to be dirty brown, well from the pictures I’ve seen of Andy Katrinak, looks to me that he and Patricia have the same color hair.
    The DA and all law enforcement involved in this case f’d up whether she is guilty or not. Any and ALL evidence in a case should be tested. Also, there shouldn’t be any limit on testing evidence. That judge is an idiot but of course he’s like the DA and law enforcement that’s involved and can’t admit they screwed up. Not only screwed but purposely did things to close this case to make names for themselves no matter what or who it cost.
    This is an act of in justice and if Patricia is proven innocent anyone on the prosecutors side should be put away for the amount of time that Patricia has spent in jail! I say this because these weren’t accidents but cover ups for all their mistakes and wanting to close the case. Now they refuse to admit they are wrong and a women sits in jail. How appalling is that.

  • M2m

    Definitely no doubt the husband!!!!

  • Elizabeth

    Obviously, we don’t know all the details. But if I were going to make a decision on whether or not Patricia Rorrer was innocent or guilty, I would have to say innocent at this point. The above questions raise eyebrows. Lots of unanswered questions, lots of botched up evidence. I think this case is such a shame and only Joanne Katrinak knows who her killer was/is and the killer himself/herself. I don’t think we will ever know. Makes me sick. With all our technology today, seems like the truth should be found out. But, when things are botched, it’s impossible. I think what really blows me away is the questions….why did the police center their attention on a hair found 15 miles away and not on the evidence left on the bodies. Also, I’m wondering why the police/prosecutor were so quick to say it was Rorrer. Irregardless of what Michael McIntyre says…I think the husband is guilty. Seems like it’s always someone close to the victim and 9 times out of 10 it’s the spouse. Sorry, but that’s the way I see it.

    • Toni Ann Scimeca

      They need to get Kathleen Zelner she gets wrongfully accused off she investigates and runs EVERYTHING leaves no stone unturned. I don’t think this lady did it.

  • Roger Bumgarner

    I think Patricia is innocent. Did they ever do a paternity test to see if that baby was his? If the baby wasn’t his, wouldn’t that be motive for him to kill his wife? Is the Court afraid they will have to pay Patricia restitution for 20+ years in Prison for a crime she was potentially Framed for? And that may be why they wont allow new evidence to be presented that could free her? Something is wrong here. I think she is innocent, and besides, she has spent 23 years in jail. Let her go. I have had a lot of girlfriends over the years. I still could probably find a hairbrush with their hair still in it. There is probably DNA at my home all over the place from all those women if someone were to look for it. It just don’t go away.

  • Roger Bumgarner

    Patricia Rorrer is innocent. Let the Poor Girl go! How do you convict someone on a hair? I have a lot of questions. For instance, was that baby Andy’s? If not, that could have been his motive for killing his wife. For cheating on him. What type of vehicle did Patricia own during the time of the murder? Was it trustworthy enough to feel comfortable to drive 500 miles one way to kill somebody and then drive 500 miles back home? 500 miles. That’s a long way to drive to commit a crime. She’s been in prison for 23 years. Let her go home. There is no “smoking gun” here. She is innocent.

  • Louis

    I dont know but it just feels to me she’s not the killer. I think the prosecutor is do irresponsible he laughs like this was a joke. He seems to know someone messed up in his department. I believe her husband did it also I wish they would have taken DNA test of the baby to see if it was Andy’s baby or not.

  • Lupe Perez Alvarez

    Dig up the babies remains, let’s see if the husband is the father of baby Alex.

  • PD

    He dated Patricia for 5 years. Could he not have had an old hairbrush or something that he could have taken hair from to frame her?

  • Delia Daher

    I’m sure someone would have thought of testing the baby’s dna for paternity, correct? Curious of the results; performed by an independent lab of course.

    Delia, Camarillo, California

  • Ksunheart

    Way to many questions left in this case. If patricia was under surveillance at the time they should know where she was during the murders? Why was there no evidence of a break in with the first officer? Couldn’t the husband get some of her hair from the stables a mile from where she was found? Did patricia really have the strength to beat this woman and get her all the way out there after driving thisdistance? Why wouldn’t she just shoot her instead of beating her to? Why wait a week? Couldn’t the husband have driven her there in his vehicle? My money is so on the husband for this. This is scarey that this little evidence can put away a possible innocent person for life while evidence has not been tested. Maybe she really is guilty but they need to retry her using all these facts. She has been done a disservice by the justice system all the way around.

  • Kelly

    I strongly believe that Patricia Rorrer is ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY INNOCENT!!!! It’s so sad this woman’s life has been destroyed. It just shows us that if you don’t have money or the right connections you are found guilty without any real and actual evidence. Everyone needs to watch their backs cause it can happen to anyone. You are GUILTY until proven INNOCENT!!! This woman was framed and deserves Justice. The 2 Innocent lives taken are NOT the only victims. FREE PATRICIA RORRER!!! SHE IS INNOCENT!!!

  • Scarlet Short

    Any husband would have waited on the paternity results first. They arrested and convicted the right one.

    • FurMummy

      No, he would NOT have waited on test results first which take quite a while. Andy’s emotions & adrenaline were running VERY HIGH! He found out she cheated which infuriated him to no end & to think there was a possibility that baby Alex wasn’t his would have triggered him. What could be worse for a man?

      • Scarlet Short

        Being impatient. If you have to go to the point to take a paternity test that is going to impact major emotions, you already know your parter is someone that cannot be trusted. Paternity tests take a long time if you go through a court, but privately? Takes only a week or so.

        • FurMummy

          Even the drugstore paternity tests, which are inaccurate, take longer than a week. A week would seem like an absolute eternity to a man whose emotions were running so high. You are absolutely right, he had a wife that COULD NOT BE TRUSTED. At that point she became WORTHLESS to him, as did the child who he believed was fathered by another man. To a nan, there is no greater pain

          • Scarlet Short

            Well, the drugstore tests are not inaccurate, they are not admissible in court because the chain of custody is broken. But they are accurate. Either the DNA is there or not. Apparently you don’t know how little you have to have for a clear DNA profile. The drugstore tests take longer to get back only because of the sheer volume at a central lab.

            Yes Sir, they only take about a week if you go to a local lab, give or take a couple of days. This is not 1997 where they would take months.

          • FurMummy

            Regardless of the result of the paternity test the FACT is that he knew his wife was cheating, which of course enraged him, snd there was that possibility of the baby not being his biological child, which would drive almost any man to do unthinkable things. Do you think the husband said, “Honey, I’m really upset with you but let’s be rational about this?” No! She cheated and it angered him. He thought how dare she cheat after all he had given he & done for her. His affect was not at all within normality on any of the interviews or anytime he was shown. The fact that the prosecution withheld vital evidence should be enough for another trial but they don’t want egg on their face. Each side is supposed to say what evidence they have so the other side can counter. The prosecution DELIBERATELY withheld witnesses’ statements which is ILLEGAL. A mistrial should have been ruled and another trial conducted in an area outside of Lehigh County! Eventually the truth WILL come out!

          • Scarlet Short

            People cheat and it happens all the time. Still no excuse. This happens to a lot of men and their situations don’t end up like this. It’s called exercising a little self control.

          • FurMummy

            Apparently he didn’t have any self-control. He was STILL talking to the ex girlfriend 3 years into his marriage!!!

  • David E McClure

    OJ did it for sure.

  • Terry Hawkins

    She is innocent! They dropped the ball trying to make a open and shut case, this girl was framed, even if it was her hair it could have been planted but im guessing it wasn’t her hair at all. These officials can make things like this happen if they want to, they don’t like to admit being wrong is why this woman is in jail.

  • 1979m

    Scorned. Angry. Vindictive. She did it.

    • Rebecca

      Hi McIntyre. Nice sock account.

  • Trueblue1225

    Hope Patricia Rorrer rots her whole life in prison.

  • Trueblue1225

    Key was the baby. The mom went along with Patrica Rorrer instead fighting back because she was trying to protect her baby. That is how a woman like Rorrer, who actually was a rodeo rider and strong from working with horses, saddles, etc was able to pull this off. No alabi.

  • Carol McMeans

    They should exhume the baby to see who his father really is. That would substantiate the paternity argument the “nut” witnessed. I can’t believe this McIntyre jerk! He’s a prosecutor for crying out loud. He’s laughing and calling people names! How rude and unprofessional! Seems he’s the “nut”! He will. NEVER admit wrongdoing or even a mistake. Only if he could totally blame someone else for it. I’m pretty sure she’ll never get out. But, for a miracle! That’s a long time locked up, if she didn’t do it. I don’t think she did. I couldn’t see her killing a child.

    • Stephanie Ronan Crews

      McIntyre makes me suspicious

      • Rebecca

        I actually work in Lehigh & Northampton county as an expert witness. Obviously I am not using my real name at all as that is highly unprofessional.

        But this McIntyre is a sexist and should be fired immediately for his behavior in this corrupt case. His sexist biases make him unfit to hold such a position.

        I have seen countless Defense Attorneys manipulated by abusive men to believe their victim, who is often mentally ill (due to the abuse), is the problem.
        McIntyre is promoting the dangerous myth that mentally ill women are more likely to be murderers.

        This case looks just like the usual domestic abuse cases I deal with. Abusive men are easily able to manipulate the criminal justice system against their victims and have been doing this for decades.

        • Stephanie Ronan Crews

          Rebecca, I’d like to hear more about your background. Can you get in touch with me? law_junkie426@gmail.com

          • Rebecca

            Sure, Stephanie. I am Masters level, nothing too fancy. But I specialize in treating offenders (99% are men). My colleagues and I are called to testify during DV cases frequently.

          • Stephanie Ronan Crews

            I don’t like this conviction. What kind of hoops do I need to jump through to get transcripts? Since Pennsylvania is a Commonwealth and I’ve never worked on a case out of Pennsylvania, I’m curious to know if they withhold transcripts in cases pending appeal. If they do, it makes my work a bit harder, but not impossible.

          • Rebecca

            I would love to be able to psychologically evaluate the husband Andy and Patricia…
            As for transcripts, I am not entirely certain for cases pending appeal.

            Glad to know there are legal professionals interested in seeing actual justice served. This case is one of the most egregious miscarriages of justice…

          • Stephanie Ronan Crews

            I can’t point toward an actual killer, but I can certainly evaluate the validity of the conviction, but I only have time to work one case at a time. Just so happens that I recently turned one over, so I have nothing on my legal plate at the moment. I’d like to get a good look at this.

          • Rebecca

            Yes, it’s crucial to remain objective and only look at facts and (actual) evidence.
            My hunch is that Patricia is innocent. A 26 year old girl carrying out such a vicious act would ABSOLUTELY have a history of Narcissistic traits and cold calculating behavior.

            Whether the husband Andy did this or not, he shows many concerning signs of being an opportunistic predatory type. He fits the profile. His habit of going after women more than 10 years younger than him is a disturbing red flag.
            It reveals a desire for power over ones partners. What we typically see in convicted offenders.

            Even if he is innocent, he still purposefully threw Patricia under the bus to get the heat off himself.

          • Stephanie Ronan Crews

            I agree wholeheartedly. I’m not willing to say he committed the crime, but I agree that it’s not likely that Rorrer did. I also believe that you’re 110% accurate in your assessment of her. She doesn’t possess the psychological pathology to be capable of this sort of crime and it’s more likely than not that she’s a victim, which doesn’t bode well for Katrinak. Even if he’s not a killer, he’s certainly a predator. It looks to me like he had a highly suspicious preference for very young women and threw Rorrer away when she got too old for his tastes. He moved on to Joann and who knows what happened next….I’m not ready to speculate but I can “imagine.”

          • Queenmarie

            About Patricia Rhorer’s cold calculating behavior—perhaps you should speak to some of the people who actually know her and grew up with her.

    • FurMummy

      Was thinking of that myself! Would give some credibility to that hidden witness that McIntyre sd was a “nut” & literally assaulted by the State Police! Whole case was so mishandled.

  • Rebecca

    The fact that this husband married someone 14 years younger than him tells me he is an abusive predator.

    If a woman married a guy 14 years younger than her, the public would be thinking of her as a master manipulator.

    But because a man does it, we seem to just accept this as normal. Sexist biases run deep.

    • Geneva

      Very true because her husband was younger and said she manipulated him to give her an alibi

  • nance

    The FBI admitted flaws in hair analysis over decades per Washington Post article in April 2015. This coupled with the unprofessional reactions of the DA to the investigation’s plethora of errors is horrifying! Why test hair found in victim’s hand? Once he smugly asked/answered his own question with basic admission “they wouldn’t’ the hair on back of my neck stood straight. To learn only DNA testing on hair was type for hair sans roots was a flag. To do one type and not the other means they hadn’t hair with root end. DA dismissal of horrendous investigation is damn straight unforgivable. Curious why his flawed judgement continues to hold any sway in this case. That man believes he knows results without testing. Does that trouble anyone other than me?

    • Stephanie Ronan Crews

      No, you’re not at all alone. I have huge questions in this case. I’ll start looking into it tomorrow, but I don’t know what I’ll be able to gather. If anyone is covering for this McIntyre schmo, they’re in enough of a position of power to have covered their tracks. But this is far from my first rodeo, so I’ll reach out to some people, look into some things, review statements and see what answers I get. I’ve done this quite a few times with great success. I’m not an attorney or a professional investigator…just someone who’s done a lot of this in my spare time. I’ve seen plenty of people convicted based on garbage.

      • nance

        Too many people are mishandled, Stephanie. Learning of FBI hair scam favoring prosecutors should matter in all cases where guilt assigned by hair test results.

        • Stephanie Ronan Crews

          I couldn’t agree more. This case was tried so long ago that I have to question the results of any hair test. Any conviction based on those results should be viewed with suspicion, especially in the absence of any corroborating evidence.

    • FurMummy

      Think it was planted. Wouldn’t be the first time & won’t be the last. The DA & police don’t want “egg on their faces.” Over 95% of these crimes are committed by the murder victim’s significant other-husband/ boyfriend. DA’s don’t care about the innocent. They only care about a “win” & keeping their position & being promoted. It’s all a game with someone’s life.

  • Stephanie Ronan Crews

    I’m not ready to say who the killer is because I have no idea. However, I believe there are a LOT of problems with this conviction, and not the least of them was McIntyre. I’ll have to look at a few things before I can say whether or not it’s something I’ll want to put my name on, but I’m not at all comfortable with this conviction.

  • Rebecca

    “She was a 23-year-old beauty just coming out of a bad marriage, and he a handsome and successful business owner 14 years her senior.”

    ‘Bad marriage’ is the family friendly code word for domestic abusive relationship.
    Patricia showed many behavioral symptoms of PTSD as well. Which were used against her to frame her. For women, PTSD is 99% of the time caused by abuse and/or sexual violence. Rape victims always have hair trigger rages. But they are never actually dangerous.

    So, Andy has a history of going after women who are Trauma survivors AND who are 10+ years younger than him. Sounds like most of the violent offenders we treat…

    He is a business owner. Meaning he is capable of successful manipulation over people and already has more social capital and financial capital over BOTH the women.

    Yet somehow these clowns believed this Predator that his young, poor, mentally unstable ex gf of 26 years old was the one responsible for carrying out such a calculating viscious crime………..

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  • Cindy Atkins Brown

    Why haven’t they looked into the story of Walter Troutman, who came forward and said he seen Joanne and her husband arguing about paternity of the baby !! Why would it not be possible to DNA test on the baby to see if it is really Andy’s. Maybe patrica’s lawyer needs to get a court order to have it done.

    • Rebecca

      Walter died in 2016… And the police assaulted him when he tried to insist he saw them arguing. Then painted him as a “crazy”. Completely dismissed him.

      The rich husband had connections. This was corruption at its finest.

  • JJanae

    Sorry. But I believe she did it. I watched on TV. Wife made her mad. Woman’s jealousy​ can be vicious. She had a past of being arrogant.

    • Rebecca

      Sounds like your a misogynist but okay.

      • JJanae

        Sexist… against women. Hatered Oh my. I don’t think so. I just watched the show twice and then read online. Why do people do things they do….. different reasons.

        • Rebecca

          “Womans jealousy can be vicious”

          In what universe is this NOT a misogynistic statement?

    • dancingdelilah

      5 years later? She’s going to come after this man’s wife and child 5 years AFTER they broke up? I highly doubt it. Did you even bother to pay attention to the evidence that points to a different killer?

      • JJanae

        Why was she calling his home ? If she was over him. I have a friend who has been divorced 4 yrs… still gets upset over her ex actions and his relationship. I tell her to move on. It’s hard for some people.

  • dancingdelilah

    This woman is INNOCENT! Shame on the DA who put her away. Talk about Shoddy police work and a huge coverup. With all the new evidence that points to another person how can they get away with keeping an innocent woman in prison for a murder she did NOT COMMIT? And how can these people get away with WITH HOLDING evidence from her own lawyers?

    Be very afraid people. If you think you can’t be sent to prison for crimes you never committed….think again. Oh yes. This can happen to you and to me. Too many innocent people are in prisons today who should not be there.

  • Stephanie Ronan Crews

    Interesting that so many of my posts have been deleted, all of them relating to corruption in the LV DA’s office and how conviction rates effect budgets which effect the income of the public servants in positions of power. It’s far from the first time that I’ve had posts deleted when I get too close to the truth, but it certainly speaks volumes, doesn’t it, Moderators?

  • Stephanie Ronan Crews

    The more of my posts about corruption that get deleted, the more I’m convinced that’s exactly what we’re dealing with.

  • Stephanie Ronan Crews

    Now, if there’s no corruption involved in this conviction, why would all the posts I’ve made about the connection between convictions and budget increases in the LV DA’s office keep disappearing? I’ve seen this before and it usually means I’m standing right on somebody’s nerve.

  • Stephanie Ronan Crews

    Everyone: please be advised that the DNA did prove that Andrew Katrinak was, in fact, the father of this murdered child. HOWEVER, that doesn’t mean that Andy knew this, since the tests weren’t done until after the murders. The fact that the baby was ultimately proven to be Andy’s doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a doubt and by no means disregards the witnesses account that he saw Joann and Andy arguing about about paternity. So McIntyre’s comments below don’t amount to a hill of beans because at the time of the deaths, no paternity test had been done. I’m certainly not declaring motive nor am I pointing an accusatory finger at Andy Katrinak. I’m only stating that it’s possible that there was, in fact, an argument about paternity witnessed by Troutman/Trauptman. If there WAS a paternity test in the works at the time of the murders, it would lend weight to Troutman’s statement that he witnessed an argument between Andy and Joann about paternity. So please ignore McIntyre’s statements that Andy couldn’t have used paternity as a motive, because paternity wasn’t established until after Joann and the baby’s bodies had been found.

  • Stephanie Ronan Crews

    Wow. Suddenly all the posts by Michael McIntyre are replaced with the name “guest.” Yesterday, after the airing of the episode, all of the posts by “guest” had the name “Michael McIntyre” next to them. Then he started getting jumped on by attentive posters and today his name is replaced with “guest?” Highly, highly, HIGHLY suspicious.

  • tentantoes

    I’ve seen only The Forensic Files version. Is there ever a mention of polygraph tests given to anyone?
    It seems unlikely to me a gal with a small child herself would do this.
    As for driving and being too tired??
    That’s a non-argument in my opinion. Especially since the victim drove at gunpoint. Correct? And if she was pumped up enough on adrenaline …anything is possible.
    If all of this physical evidence exists or ever did…where is it now.
    I can see it possible that the husband dallied around with ex g’friend to wind her up for it. Some women are pretty stupid over men.
    As for child’s DNA, needs tested as parenthood being slightly possible motive.
    After reading Andrew’s father’s obit in a 2015 posting….it lists grandson Alex as predeceasing him but no mention of his late daughter in law. I thought WHOEVER wrote obit a bit cold.

  • Karen McBride

    Why didn’t they exhume the body of the baby Alex to test the D.N.A. of the baby to see if the witness who claimed he saw them fighting over who father is to show some crediability.

  • Patricia Murray

    Why didn’t they test the babies DNA to prove the witness account of fight true or not?

  • FUTMZ

    Wow. Look at all the hyper-misandrist women, trying blame – of course – the MAN, as if you know more and are better trained than the police detectives, forensic scientists, the prosecutors, and the jury that heard and saw all the evidence.

    Reading just a handful of these weak excuses for a violent, abusive scorned woman shows that Rorrer could have been video-recorded firing the death shot and you hens would say “the video was ALTERED!!!!!“. Woman up, get over it…. the violent, abusive woman will never get out of prison.

  • Feebes

    Watching this again right now. McIntyre is a joke. Betting the rooted hair was obtained after the crime and conviction. Husband fishy, to say the least. The investigation was faulty from the beginning. Hope Patricia is set free.

  • Veronica Chaffin

    I have no idea if this woman is guilty or not since I wasn’t in the jury box and usually spouses are main suspects but the comments about the husband is suspicious bc he is ‘smirking’…REALLY? That is not evidence! The phone lines that is suspicious or as he contaminated the crime scene by getting in the wife’s car…please argue actual actions that could be evidence but smirking is not one! So in defending a possibe miscarriage of justice of the convicted killer, some argue here that the husband must be it bc he is ‘smirking’ or even smiing. Kind of defeats the argument of credible evidence!

    • Moochie JR Habeebah Newman

      Ur rt smirking is not evidence however it was disconcerting that he was actually doing it at every interview… back to the real EVIDENCE why did he destroy EVIDENCE by sitting in the➡🚗 and how’d he remember the mothers➡☎ number Joann would’ve been angry if she caught him talking to either he could’ve made a three way call this puzzle is still unfinished lastly the prosecutor is a joke why isn’t he interested in examining ALL THE EVIDENCE he doesn’t even care if there were another person involved in the DEATHS of Joann and Alex SMH👎

  • Sherri Hill

    It is doubtful that Patricia was able to abduct, beat and kill Joanne by herself…they should certainly test the evidence left behind at the scene..the hair and fingernail left behind…I believe there is someone else involved and that is all I will say.

  • Sherri Hill

    It is interesting that the women at the food mart thought she saw Joanne in the store with a man when she went missing. The police sketch artist drew a likeness of the man. Strangely enough, it resembled Patricia’s boyfriend at the time….interesting.

  • Sherri Hill

    Match that hair and fingernail found on Joanne’s dead body to Patricia’s boyfriend and I think you will have the answer…artist sketch from food mart lady who saw Joanne looks just like him.

  • Sherri Hill

    Patricia had a boyfriend at the time Joanne was killed. He looked just like the police artist sketch from the women who said she saw Joanne at the food mart. I find it difficult to believe nobody else has noticed this. How could Patricia abduct, beat and kill Joanne by herself. In order to get real justice in this case, test the hair and fingernail found on Joanne for DNA. If Patricia’s boyfriend at the time is still alive, that DNA could possible match up to him.

  • Sherri Hill

    Take a good look at the police artist sketch and pay attention to what the women working in the food mart said. She saw Joanne come into the store with a man. I noticed the sketch looked just like Patricia’s boyfriend at the time. They could have possibly kidnapped her together…I do not think Patricia did this alone, she would have required help to abduct, beat and kill Joanne. Test the hair and fingernail left on Joanne’s body for DNA…..If Patricia’s boyfriend at the time is still alive, you might have a DNA match.

  • Laura Schwab

    re: witness saw man yelling at woman in car, “that’s not my baby!” DNA tested on baby and Andy? Was that indeed him yelling at his wife and possibly the motive for him being the murderer???

  • Moochadeerah Joretha R Habeeba

    I agree the husband does always have that freak’n smirk who does that when their talking about they’re missing spouse….I DO NOT TRUST MR. KATRINAK PERIOD who knows he could’ve planted that hair when he decided to play detective or cut the phone line when out of curiosity he went 2 the basement 2 check what out of curiosity…. I watched 🅾TC with PZ “DRIVEN 2 KILL” and some facts were incorrect ex: it wasn’t 3days 🅱4 the call was made the phone records proved that…. what was unbelievable was the prosecutor stating ” who cares about the other hair in the victims hand” WTF!!! I’m like author Ⓜ️al I don’t want 2 c a killer free but with the flimsy evidence presented that truly could be “ANYONE ON DEATH ROW”.